Thanks for this -- spot on and appreciate your insight! I'm one who has discussed this in hushed tones and had the same experience as the first one you mentioned. I made the mistake of buying the bundle.
Lesson learned and I tell others now to skip the bundle until after at least one session; figure out if there is a connection with the coach first.
I know her too. And, I'm sorry you went through that. IMO, you could coach her. (in more than just performance!) There are 2 well-known male "coaches" who treated me similarly, but I continued coaching AND doing a demo w/ them, b/c I was embarrassed to stop the sessions. I blame no one but myself. As you said, ASK the questions: 1. WHEN was your last paid commercial/political ad/medical narration?? 2. Are you ACTIVELY working and auditioning every day? 3. Will you turn your cell phone OFF and be present during our session?? If not, move on.
I know exactly who you were talking about with that first one, and while we very briefly worked on copy, I felt talked down to the entire time and like what my previous teachers and coaches had taught me was being dismissed or invalidated because she was older. Not more experienced; just older. And I have ADHD, so I understand getting distracted, but there's a time you push yourself to make that extra effort to focus, and I definitely didn't feel that. I would be angrier about it if I had spent money, but I had won the session in a drawing. I'm thankful for that, because it was eye-opening but not wallet-draining. I'm all for paying coaches their due, but I want to get what I pay for (and her rates aren't cheap).
Yes to all of this! It physically hurts me to read those scenarios - they are real folks! I wish I had an article like this when I was starting out! I'm definitely keeping those questions in mind for my next coach! Thanks for this!
Thanks for this -- spot on and appreciate your insight! I'm one who has discussed this in hushed tones and had the same experience as the first one you mentioned. I made the mistake of buying the bundle.
Lesson learned and I tell others now to skip the bundle until after at least one session; figure out if there is a connection with the coach first.
I know her too. And, I'm sorry you went through that. IMO, you could coach her. (in more than just performance!) There are 2 well-known male "coaches" who treated me similarly, but I continued coaching AND doing a demo w/ them, b/c I was embarrassed to stop the sessions. I blame no one but myself. As you said, ASK the questions: 1. WHEN was your last paid commercial/political ad/medical narration?? 2. Are you ACTIVELY working and auditioning every day? 3. Will you turn your cell phone OFF and be present during our session?? If not, move on.
I know exactly who you were talking about with that first one, and while we very briefly worked on copy, I felt talked down to the entire time and like what my previous teachers and coaches had taught me was being dismissed or invalidated because she was older. Not more experienced; just older. And I have ADHD, so I understand getting distracted, but there's a time you push yourself to make that extra effort to focus, and I definitely didn't feel that. I would be angrier about it if I had spent money, but I had won the session in a drawing. I'm thankful for that, because it was eye-opening but not wallet-draining. I'm all for paying coaches their due, but I want to get what I pay for (and her rates aren't cheap).
Yes to all of this! It physically hurts me to read those scenarios - they are real folks! I wish I had an article like this when I was starting out! I'm definitely keeping those questions in mind for my next coach! Thanks for this!